[LHC] Inicio da Oficina de IoT
Henrique Almeida
hdante at gmail.com
Thu Jun 11 15:06:04 PDT 2015
LHC aberto para a oficina
Em 11 de junho de 2015 12:52, Insteletr <insteletr at gmail.com> escreveu:
> Olá pessoal. Posso participar da oficina observando, vez que não entendo
> quase nada do tópico ainda?
>
> Abraço :)
>
> On Jun 11, 2015 12:26 PM, "Daniel Junho" <djunho at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Geraldo, vc não irá usar?
>>
>> Estará no LHC ou onde podemos nos encontrar?
>>
>> Muito obrigado desde já
>>
>> Daniel E. M. Junho
>> Engenheiro de Computação - USP
>>
>> 2015-06-10 23:52 GMT-03:00 Geraldo Freitas <gamfreitas at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Daniel, eu tenho para te emprestar. Conversor USB para RS232 e outro
>>> conversor RS232 para 3v3. Se quiser e tiver como buscar me avisa.
>>>
>>> Em 10/06/2015 11:44 PM, "Pedro Minatel" <pminatel at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> Daniel, na Cinestec você acha o conversor[1] de 5V e o preço é muito
>>>> salgado.
>>>>
>>>> Talvez no MercadoLivre tenha alguem de Campinas vendendo.
>>>>
>>>> [1] https://www.cinestec.com.br/ecommerce22/detalhes.aspx?cod=20227
>>>>
>>>> Att,
>>>>
>>>> Pedro
>>>>
>>>> 2015-06-10 23:35 GMT-03:00 Daniel Junho <djunho at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pessoal,
>>>>>
>>>>> não estou com meu conversor USB - Serial (3v3) aqui em Campinas, alguém
>>>>> saberia me indicar um lugar para comprar um?
>>>>>
>>>>> Grato
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel E. M. Junho
>>>>> Engenheiro de Computação - USP
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-06-10 18:33 GMT-03:00 Pedro Minatel <pminatel at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Henrique, para os que utilizam Windows ou Mac, o VBox será utilizado.
>>>>>> Se você já tem Linux desconsiderar o VBox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> O objetivo é de não perder muito tempo na instalação, já que leva
>>>>>> cerca de 1:30h pra instalar tudo que é preciso.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abrs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pedro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Em 10/06/2015 6:30 PM, "Henrique" <hdante at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Não entendi, precisa de virtual box ou de linux ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 10/06/2015, às 11:56, Pedro Minatel <pminatel at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nem todos usam linux como OS nativo ou dual boot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E eu tenho uma VM preparada com o SDK já instalado.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Abrs,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pedro
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em 10/06/2015 11:12 AM, "Alejandro Mesias" <ale.mesias at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Porque o virtualbox ? tem uma imagem com os softwares necessários ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Não basta ter um note com linux ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2015-06-10 10:17 GMT-03:00 Pedro Minatel <pminatel at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pessoal, vamos tentar transmitir pelo hangout.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mando o link aqui pela lista.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Aos que forem pessoalmente, recomendo levar um notebook com
>>>>>>>>> VirtualBox já instalado.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Se for levar a sua própria ESP, não se esqueça de levar o adaptador
>>>>>>>>> USB serial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Até lá!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pedro
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Em 10/06/2015 8:06 AM, "Henrique" <hdante at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Quero participar também
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 10/06/2015, às 06:06, Alejandro Mesias <ale.mesias at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> O que quero mais é ver a lua, digo, programar em lua.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Em 08/06/2015 9:25 PM, "Paulo Costa" <me at paulo.costa.nom.br>
>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Olá!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Quero participar também.
>>>>>>>>>>> Até 5a feira!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2015 5:47 PM, "Leandro Pereira"
>>>>>>>>>>> <leandrocanada at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Olá eu também gostaria de participar da ofina.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Abs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Leandro Silva Pereira
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-06-08 17:42 GMT-03:00 Caverna <ricardo.caverna at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu quero participar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leandro, você ainda tem algum ESP-01? Se tiver reserva um pra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> []s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caverna (Ricardo)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 2 de junho de 2015 06:06, Pedro Minatel <pminatel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agora que tem internet no LHC daria pra fazer por hangout, só
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> não sei se o formato da oficina fica legal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Podemos tentar!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 02/06/2015 12:38 AM, "Gustavo Ortenzi"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <gustavoortenzi at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boa Noite Pessoal!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tudo bem?!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tenho interesse em participar desta oficina, mas eu tenho um
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problema físico, Distância.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Moro e Rio Claro, e fica inviável para mim participar destas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oficinas, assim como as demais.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Normalmente eu fico só na escuta, mas hoje resolvi falar um
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pouco.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Já que estamos falando de IoT, conectividade, e por aí vai,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> não seria possível montar um esquema de sala virtual, para que pessoas como
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eu, que estão distantes possam se conectar na oficina e participar de forma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remota?! É muito futurista?! Tipo um Hangout do Google, com video e áudio.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abraços
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gustavo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 1 de junho de 2015 23:18, Douglas Esteves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <douglas.brsoftware at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Link do evento na wiki do LHC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] http://lhc.net.br/wiki/Oficiona_de_IoT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-06-01 14:44 GMT-03:00 Nikolas Makiya Vichi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nikolasj5 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tenho interesse em participar!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikolas Makiya Vichi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engenharia de Computação 010
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UNICAMP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 1 de junho de 2015 13:27, Daniel Junho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <djunho at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Contem com a minha presença!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tenho 3 (ESP01), posso emprestar 2 se alguém precisar!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel E. M. Junho
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engenheiro de Computação - USP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-06-01 10:42 GMT-03:00 Douglas Esteves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <douglas.brsoftware at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iremos alimentar o site do LHC :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lhc.net.br/wiki/Oficiona_de_IoT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-06-01 10:23 GMT-03:00 Pedro Minatel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <pminatel at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Renne, eu tenho alguns dos modelos 01, 03, 07 e 12. Por
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enquanto não pretendo comprar mais.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alejandro, estou gravando pela serial. Já tenho o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> esquema para instalar o SDK, que será o primeiro passo da oficina.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aliás, tenho uma VM pronta com Ubuntu e o SDK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abrs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pedro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Em 01/06/2015 10:04 AM, "Leandro A. F. Pereira"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <leandro at tia.mat.br> escreveu:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2015-06-01 9:37 GMT-03:00 Renne Rocha
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <renne at rennerocha.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vocês tem planos de comprar alguns ESP8266 (além dos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> que vocês já
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tem)??? Se forem comprar me avisem que quero comprar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alguns também aí
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aproveito o frete :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu vou pegar mais alguns, mas considerando aí que o
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frete pro Brasil é grátis, eu nem me importaria em rachá-lo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Por exemplo, esse aqui (ESP-07) com vários pinos de I/O
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> e conector para pigtail (que na verdade não precisa pois também tem uma
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> antena cerâmica), custa US$2,50:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2pcs-lot-ESP8266-serial-WIFI-model-ESP-07-Authenticity-Guaranteed/32256583551.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eu tenho 4 ESP-01 e posso vender uns pelo preço de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> custo, mas eles têm poucos pinos de I/O pra propósito geral...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leandro
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Att
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas Vinicius Esteves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Celular : (19) 98230-3616
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Att
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Douglas Vinicius Esteves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Celular : (19) 98230-3616
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gustavo Ortenzi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Engenheiro Eletrônico
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel/Fax: 19 3523-8113
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cel: 19 99104-1569
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> ======================================
>>>>>>>> Alejandro Mesias André Nebra Perez
>>>>>>>> Java/Python/Js/Something else Developer
>>>>>>>> Twitter: @meszias
>>>>>>>> Linux User #442506
>>>>>>>> Campinas - SP - Brasil - South America
>>>>>>>> ======================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
>>>>> http://listas.tia.mat.br/listinfo.cgi/hsc-tia.mat.br
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Pedro
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
>>>> HSC at listas.tia.mat.br
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>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Lista do LHC <http://lhc.net.br>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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